1996TL66 (research notes 1999-2007)
by Juan Antonio Revilla
September 28, 2023
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Date: Sat, 26 Jun 1999 07:05:28 -0600
Richard Nixon birth:
Sun = 19,24 Capricorn
TL66 = 18,44 Capricorn
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Date: Mon, 09 Aug 1999 08:28:54 -0600
The atom bomb at Nagasaki was dropped today 54 years ago, August 9, 1945, at 11:50 a.m. according to flight commander’s log (11:58 according to the Brigadier’s memorandum, 11:02 according to the Japanese). The commander’s log is in the local time of Tinian… so the GMT was 01:50.
Sun at Hiroshima = 13,08 Leo
Sun at Nagasaki = 16,07 Leo
their midpoint = 14,37 Leo/Aquarius
1996TL66 was at 14,14 and 14,11 of Aquarius respectively, so that the Sun was “swinging around it” when the 2 bombs were dropped.
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Date: Sat, 21 Aug 1999 19:08:14 -0600
Yuri Gagarin
tr. Jupiter 1st man in space = 3,57 Aqu
natal TL66 = 4,29 Aqu tr.
Moon 1st man in space = 12,53 Pis
tr. TL66 at his death while in flying accident = 12,11 Pis
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Date: Tue, 24 Aug 1999 21:04:21 -0600
Subject: Twin Peaks
–night of April 8 1990 (release of TV show):
Sun = 19 Aries
TL66 = 19,52 Aries
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Date: Sun, 19 Sep 1999 19:52:56 -0600
Subject: Timothy McVeigh
I found the date and time of the bombing: April 19, 1995 at 9:02 a.m., the day of the anniversary of the Waco fire.
Sun = 29,06 Aries
TL66 = 29,41 Aries
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Date: Thu, 23 Sep 1999 19:40:41 -0600
Subject: Hitler
Moon = 7,09 Cap
Jupiter = 8,15 Cap
TL66 adds an interesting new element to this, in 7,02 Capricorn Rx
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Date: Thu, 23 Sep 1999 20:26:41 -0600
Subject: Chatterton
Sun = 28,39 Scorpio
TL66 = 28,36 Scorpio
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Date: Mon, 27 Sep 1999 08:41:59 -0600
Subject: TL66
Augusto Pinochet
Luna = 19,04 Cancer
TL66 = 19,51 Capricornio
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Date: Mon, 27 Sep 1999 10:25:00 -0600
the massacre at Wounded Knee, 29 Dec 1890 in the morning:
Sun = 7,54 Cap
TL66 = 7,06 Cap
(same place as Hitler’s Moon/TL66)
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Date: Tue, 19 Oct 1999 13:47:13 -0600
Diana died at 2:00 GMT of August 31, 1997. Let’s see the transits over Prince Charle’s chart (corrected for precession):
tr. Moon = 16,13 Leo
birth Pluto = 16,34 Leo (rising)
birth 1996TL66 = 16,37 Aquarius
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Date: Sat, 23 Oct 1999 19:16:15 -0600
Clint Eastwood, taken from the “Gauquelin Book of American Charts”, 1982. It says May 31 1930, 5:35 p.m. PST (+8h):
Moon = 1,43 Leo
TL66 = 1,31 Aquarus
Node = 2,12 Taurus.
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Date: Tue, 26 Oct 1999 15:24:49 -0600
Subject: Re: Quotations – Bergman
… Ingmar Bergman… born July 14, 1918, in Uppsala, said time 12h…
Sun = 21,11 Cancer
TL66 = 22,14 Capricorn Rx.
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Date: Thu, 28 Oct 1999 16:47:01 -0600
Subject: Bhopal
In “Time Magazine” of 17 Dec. 1984, Vol.124 No.25, p.51, one can read the exact time at which the chemical accident at Bhopal, India, happened, killing more than 3000 people, and leaving other 3000 critically injured, 15000 people having had to receive treatment: 00h56m in the night of December 3, 1984, which corresponds to 19:26 UT the day before:
Moon = 7,46 Aries
TL66 = 8,27 Aries Rx.
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Date: Wed, 16 Feb 2000 18:30:19 -0600
Subject: The Amritsar Massacre
On the afternoon of April 13, 1919, in the city of Amritsar in the Punjab (74e53/31n35) British General Reginald Edward Harry Dyer ordered his men to block the only exit of the enclosed plaza and to open fire to a protesting gathering of about 10,000 people. After having shot 1750 rounds of ammunition for 10 minutes, he left the place with his men, leaving 400 unarmed civilians dead and 1200 wounded without any medical attention.
He was later relieved of his command and returned to England where he was received as a hero by his admirers who presented him a purse of thousands of pounds and a jewelled sword inscribed “Savior of The Punjab”.
This is re-enacted in “Gandhi”.
He was born October 9, 1864, in Murree, India, and died July 23 1927 in Long Ashton, near Bristol, England. All the data is taken from the Encyclopedia Britannica. I will assume “3 p.m.” as a reference point (the Britannica says “that afternoon”):
Sun = 22,24 Aries
TL66 = 23,38 Capricorn
death TL66 = 28,24 Capricorn
death Sun = 29,31 Cancer (assuming Noon GMT)
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Date: Sat, 16 Dec 2000 08:59:53 -0600
Subject: [crp] TL66 transits to the UK chart.
Using the 1801 chart –the chart of the British Empire and of British imperialism–, transiting TL66 opposition the radix Moon was active in 1913-1914-1915 (Moon in 19,26 Cancer). Since WWI started in 1914, there is no need to say much regarding the meaning of this transit… although 1913 looks intriguing.
But as you know, I only work with precession-corrected transits. After applying the correction this time discrepancy dissolves and everything comes into place (i.e., in order to make the search with an ephemeris, one needs to look at transits to a Moon position near 21,01 Cancer). The results is (I mention the direct passes only):
first = around April 1915
second = around February 1916
third = January 1917
fourth = November 1917
last pass (stationary direct in 21,26 Capricorn) = October 1918.
As you can see, this transit –precession-corrected or not– seems to deal with WWI very precisely.
Let’s check now the transit of TL66 conjunct the UK’s natal Sun:
Tropically, this transit occurs in 1896-1897-1898-1899, while sidereally (i.e., with precession-corrected transits): 1899-1900-1901. In September 1902, TL66 was stationary (precession-corrected) only 0,35′ from the radical Sun.
Queen Victoria died in January, 1901, and the Boer War in South Africa started in 1899 and ended in May, 1902. I would like to quote something about the Anglo-Boer War:
“In the beginning, the British expected an easy victory. It was inconceivable to them that two small states (the Orange Free State was forced into the war by an alliance with the Transvaal) could hope to survive against one of the great powers of the world. Quantitaively, it was obvious that the full weight of the British Empire would eventually crush the two republics, but the watching world was to be astonished at the resolution, courage and tenacity of the Boers in defending their fatherland. By the time the conflict was over, it had cost the British 98,000 casualties, including 7000 dead, from an army of about 500,000 men. The Boers raised 35,000 men, lost about 5,000 dead, while 26,000 of their women and children perished of endemic diseases in various concentration camps established by the British.” [“South Africa. Land of Challenge”. by Maurice Tyack and T.V. Bulpin. 1976]
The book I quoted, in the same page (p.100), gives an interesting piece of data:
“The British were asked to answer by 11 October 1899, otherwise the Republic would have to regard the actions of the British as a formal declaration of war. The British made no reply to this message, and at 17:00 hours on the date specified, the Anglo-Ber War, or South-African War, commenced.”
According to T. Shanks International Atlas, South Afrika was then 1h30m ahead of Greenwich; this gives:
Moon = 10,16 Cap
TL66 = 10,34 Cap
Amazing…!
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Date: Sat, 16 Dec 2000 09:46:46 -0600
Subject: [Centaurs] more on the Anglo-Boer War
I wanted to check the figures I quoted (500,000 British troops, 98000 casualties, 7000 dead, and on the Boer side 35000 troops, 7000 dead, 26000 women and children died in the British concentration camps), so I went to the Britannica:
In the U.K. article:
“It was the most expensive of all the 19th-century “little wars” with the British employing 450,000 troops of whom 22,000 never returned… The South African (Boer) War led to demands not only for greater “efficiency” but for more enlightened social policies in relation to health and education.”
what a hypocritical way of saying things! Let’s see if the article on South Africa tells us more:
“Kitchener [the British commander-in-chief] responded with brutal retaliation against the non-combatant civilian populations and initiated a scorched-earth policy. The farms of Boers and Africans alike were destroyed, and the families of Boer guerrillas were rounded-up and placed in concentration camps. More than 20,000 Boer women and children died in the carelessly run and unhygienic camps.”
This was what the British did when TL66 transited their natal Sun, in a war marked by an exact Moon/TL66 conjunction identical to the one of Hitler.
Kitchener, of course, was made a Lord and is considered a hero by the British.
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Date: Wed, 20 Dec 2000 15:26:26 -0600
Subject: [crp] the Cuban missile crisis
the closest the world has ever been to a direct U.S.-Soviet nuclear war was during the “Cuban missile crisis”, in October-November 1962.
this, in my opinion, is well accounted for by the Jupiter/TL66 conjunctions that year. (The text and the chronology are taken from http://www.hfni.gsehd.gwu.edu/~nsarchiv/nsa/cuba_mis_cri/cmcchron.html:
Jupiter conjunct TL66 4,47 Pis – 18 April 1962:
—>”Late April 1962: While vacationing in the Crimea, across the Black sea from Turkey, Khrushchev reflects on the Turkish missiles and reportedly conceives the idea of deploying similar weapons in Cuba. Soviet sources have identified three reasons that might have led Khrushchev to pursue the idea seriously. The deployment of missiles in Cuba would: (1) perhaps most important, increase Soviet nuclear striking power, which lagged far behind that of the United States; (2) deter the United States from invading Cuba; and (3) psychologically end the double standard by which the United States stationed missiles on the Soviet perimeter but denied the Soviets a reciprocal right.”
Mars square TL66 16 July 1962:
—>”July 15, 1962: Around this time, Soviet cargo ships begin moving out of the Black Sea for Cuba with false declarations of their destinations and reporting tonnages well below their capacities. Aerial reconnaissance of the ships in the following months showing them “riding high in the water” would confirm that the vessels carried unusually light cargo, typically a sign that military equipment is being transported. “July 17, 1962: Raúl Castro leaves Moscow after two weeks of secret talks with Nikita Khrushchev and other high-ranking Soviet officials on the scheduled deployment of Soviet nuclear missiles in Cuba. Although aware of the military make-up of the Cuban delegation, the fact that no public communiqué is issued after the visit leads the U.S. intelligence community at first to believe that the mission had failed. Upon his return to Cuba, Raúl Castro tells a gathering that neither internal uprisings nor exile landings are a threat, only a U.S. invasion, which, he said, “we can now repel.”
Jupiter (retrograde) conjunct TL66 3,28 Pis – 9 October 1962
—>”October 8, 1962: Cuban President Dorticós, addressing the U.N. General Assembly, calls upon the United Nations to condemn the U.S. trade embargo against Cuba. Near the end of his address, Dorticós declares: <
---> October 14: a ballistic missile and a launching site reported by the U2’s.
—> October 22: President Kenedy announces the Naval blockade to Cuba. The U.S. prepares for war (DEFCON 3).
—->October 24: DEFCON 2 for the first time in history.
—->”October 28, 1962–6:00A.M.: The CIA’s daily update as of 6:00A.M. reports that Soviet technicians have succeeded in making fully operational all twenty-four MRBM sites in Cuba. Construction of one nuclear bunker reportedly has been completed but none are believed to be in operation.”
—>”October 28, 1962–9:00A.M.: A new message from Nikita Khrushchev , which effectively terminates the missile crisis, is broadcast on Radio Moscow. Khrushchev declares: <
Jupiter stationary direct 2,49 Pisces, TL66 3,17 Pisces, 29 October 1962
comment: Note how close this corresponds to the change of direction of Jupiter's motion over TL66, after being retrograde and later stationary on top of it (max. separation 0,28') during the duration of the ordeal.
Jupiter last pass over TL66 in 3,12 Pis - 3 November 1962.
--->“November 4, 1962: John McCloy lunches with Soviet negotiators at his Stamford, Connecticut, home. Vasily Kuznetsov says all missile sites constructed by the Soviet Union were dismantled as of November 2.” —> November 20: the U.S. is satisfied with the U2’s reports and lifts the naval blockade.
NOTE: there are other aspects involving Uranus, Chiron, Hylonome, and Pylenor. I have ignored them here by concentrating only in 1-) the conjunction, 2-) the symbolism of TL66 that associates it to the threat of U.S./Soviet nuclear war, 3-) the relationship of Jupiter to the political “balance of power” when in aspect to Pluto-like TL66, and 4-) the proximity in time between the exact aspect and the chronology. The very detailed chronology, as I mentioned, is in http://www.hfni.gsehd.gwu.edu/~nsarchiv/nsa/cuba_mis_cri/cmcchron.html
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Date: Wed, 20 Dec 2000 19:16:19 -0600
Subject: [Centaurs] Jupiter/TL66
Here are all the conjunctions between Jupiter and TL66 since 1900:
12,57 Cap – 22/ 4/1901
12,51 Cap – 12/ 5/1901
11,51 Cap – 18/11/1901
18,43 Cap – 2/12/1913
26,55 Cap – 23/12/1925
6,56 Aqu – 19/ 1/1938
19,19 Aqu – 14/ 2/1950
4,47 Pis – 18/ 4/1962
3,28 Pis – 9/10/1962
3,12 Pis – 3/11/1962
22,07 Pis – 23/ 2/1975
15,05 Ari – 5/ 5/1987
15,05 Ari – 5/ 5/1987
8,46 Tau – 30/ 3/2000
5,07 Gem – 5/ 7/2012
As you can see, triple conjunctions like the ones of 1962 are rare, and happened only in 1901… unless we take the 2 conjunctions in 15 Aries of 1987. The conjunction of Feb. 1950 is not far from the beginning of the Korean War, also the direct result of U.S.-Soviet “war games”. Although the War began in June 25th of that year, not February, the North Korean invasion south of the 38th parallel was “carefully planned”. It is probable that, if we can get a chronology, there is something significant we can find starting around February.
The same can be said, in terms of “balance of world power” of the also isolated conjunction in January 1938, and probably that of December 1913, happening 6 months before the start of WWI.
Of 1938 the Britannica says:
“the Austrian chancellor was bullied by Hitler into acceding to far-reaching demands (February 12, 1938), but subsequently decided to conduct a plebiscite in Austria on the issues. Hitler acted quickly to avert this, German troops occupying Austria March 12, 1938, the day before the plebiscite was to be held.”
Then followed Czechoslovakia, and later in 1939 Polland, which officially started WWII.
Perhaps, one conclusion one nay draw from this is that Jupiter/TL66 relates to the “war games” of world powers, the expansionist agendas of IMPERIALISM, the planning, the “chess boards”, etc; in other words, it is a sort of “ideological phase” (and face) of TL66. In this respect, comparatively, Moon/TL66 may be the actual death-toll, the desolation, the “massacre”.
I post the complete list 1900-2018 in case someone wants to give it a shot. There was one conjunction, for example, this year 2000. But we must remember that the only time when there was another similar triple conjunction was In 1901.
As was advanced by Jonathan Dunn in his idea of “absolute power” regarding TL66, there seems to be a relationship between TL66/Jupiter –at least as shown here– with imperialism.
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Date: Thu, 21 Dec 2000 01:21:57 -0600
Subject: [crp] Jupiter/TL66 – 1938
The Jupiter/TL66 conjunction was exact February 19, 1938 at 11h52m GMT (in 6,56 Aquarius).
One clear correlation, in my opinion (besides the one I mentioned about Hitler’s expansionism), was the production of Sergey Eisenstein’s film “Alexander Nevsky”, with music by Sergei Prokofiev. This film, a classic, was released in the Soviet Union in 1938, and is clearly related to the same thing: it tells the story of the decisive defeat, by the Russians under Alexander Nevsky, of the German invaders (the “Teutonic Knights”), during the famous “massacre on the Ice” on a narrow channel between Lakes Chud (Peipus) and Psko:
Alexander’s victory was complete and the German advance was arrested for centuries. On the 5th of April 1242 the very existence of Russia was saved. Once again those who were present at the battle thought they saw heavenly armies appearing to bring aid to Prince Alexander.” [he was canonized by the Russian Church in 1547]
Prokofiev produced music of outstanding quality. “the film represented a blend of images and music into a single rhythmic unity, an indissoluble whole” (Britannica). Later Prokofiev made a cantata (op.78) out of the film score. Some of the subtitles are expressions of TL66: “the battle on the ice”, “the field of the dead”. You hear some very shattering music, and the use of brutal percussion (also TL66 characteristics); “the field of the dead” in particular, an elegiac song for mezzo-soprano, is a haunting and dark piece that one never forgets (I’m listening to the cd as I write this).
The film was a success in Russia, since it came at a time when Stalin and the whole country feared the worst from Hitler. (I don’t have time now to compare the positions in the chart of Prokofiev, Eisenstein, and the historical Alexander Nevsky. I will do that in later message).
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Date: Sat, 23 Dec 2000 22:35:54 -0600
Subject: Re: [Centaurs] 2 Dec 1942 – Trinity
… the trial explosion at Trinity. (11:29:44 GMT July 16 1945, 33n38 / 106w24)
Sun = 23,33 Can
It is telling to see that at Hiroshima at Nagasaki, it was TL66 that was “comparing itself” with the Sun… a very literal image of the dragon Typhon and the Beast of Apocalypse.
The bomb was made to be used as a weapon, but it was so terrible (TL66) that the whole world came to be “under its feet” (your image of the “absolute power” related to TL66)
The whole period –instead of just the events– is probably like a transition of power from Pluto to TL66. Pluto is the death and the power, while TL66 is the apocalyptic perspective, the escathological “revelation”. It is evident to me that only some of the people who were involved in the project at that time, and saw the trial explosion, were really aware of the terribly horrifying and frightening thing that they had produced. For most others, then and now, it was a more intellectual thing.
This makes me want to re-check the chart of Oppenheimer, who incarnated and suffered this awareness.
I don’t have the exact birth time of Oppenheimer. I only have that he was born “in the night” (p.11 Peter Goodchild “Robert Oppenheimer, Shaterer of Worlds” Boston: Houghton Mifflin Company, 1981; p.3-4 P.Michelmore “The Swift Years” N.Y.). These references invalidate the Church of Light references to 8:15 a.m. found in the Zodiaval Zephyr’s database (If any of you knows a better reference for the time –not another astrologer– please let me know). The date is April 22 1904, New York. He died February 18, 1967, in Princeton, New Jersey. As a reference, I will use a birth time of 8 p.m. EST.
Now, keep in mind his expression “I am become Death” and “I am the shatterer of worlds”, and check the chart of the Trinity trial explosion which triggered these images in his mind (the Trinity positions are precession-corrected to his time of birth):
Trinity TL66 = 14Aq01
Trinity Moon = 14Li04
Trinity Ascendant = 14Ca14
natal TL66 = 14Cp33
If my calculation of the Trinity angles is correct, his natal TL66 is EXACTLY at the descendant there, “shattering” the Moon!
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Date: Sun, 24 Dec 2000 11:23:55 -0600
Subject: [Centaurs] Trinity – Hiroshima – Nagasaki
(11:29:44 GMT July 16 1945, 33n38 / 106w24)
Since the time of this event is known with such precision, we can take the angles for granted (something which is seldom the case) and check the mundane positions, those that are dependent on the locality. I will use 3 types of coordinates: Placidian proportional semi-arc equatorial projections, Campanus “mundoscope” prime vertical projections, and the “oblique longitudes” of the Topocentric System (“ascensional plane” ecliptic projections):
Placidus:
Sun = 12,25 Aries (i.e., 12 degrees into the 30 degrees of the first house)
TL66 = 12,34 Scorpio
Campanus Mundoscope:
Sun = 8,51 Aries (i.e., 8 degrees into the 30 degrees of the first house)
TL66 = 8,17 Scorpio
Oblique longitudes:
Sun = 12,26 Cancer
TL66 = 12,32 Aquarius
See how TL66 becomes part of the configuration in an inconjunct from the 8th house, something which is not evident from the use of ecliptical projections alone. The normal zodiacal positions are:
TL66 = 14,35 Aqu r (out of orb)
Sun = 23,33 Can
NOTE: since the different coordinate systems cannot be used at the same time, methodologically I consider this testimony more indirect. I cannot use it as primary and over-ride the zodiacal positions, because I have based all my work on zodiacal positions.
I thought it would be useful to be able to consider these last two together, as a unit, which is what they are historically speaking. There were differences in the design of the bomb (The Hiroshima bomb was made of uranium, the one of Nagasaki was made of Plutonium, like that of Trinity). The positions of the Davison time-midpoint chart speak for themselves:
Moon = 8,36 Leo
Pluto = 10,01 Leo
TL66 = 14,13 Aqu r
Sun = 14,37 Leo
This puts in evidence that there was a New Moon right in the middle of the 2 bombs. The new moon was in 15,06 Leo, and in my opinion, the complete dominance of TL66 is clear. Of interest is the fact that, mundanely, the Sun and Pluto are in exact conjunction in the Davison chart:
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Date: Tue, 26 Apr 2005 08:12:41 -0600
Subject: [Centaurs] Abimael Guzman and “Shining Path”
The founder of Sendero Luminoso is Abimael Guzmán, who was finally imprisoned for life in 1992. His birth chart can be found in an article on him by astrologer Mario F. Raskovsky:
“… born the 3 of December of 1934, to Hs:02:29:02 p.m. EST (+5) in Mollendo, Arequipa, Peru. (Rectified by Fundacion Centro Astrologico de Salta)”
No source of the birth time is given. I use 14:30 EST and obtain:
Node = 2,29 Aquarius r
Moon = 3,32 Scorpio
TL66 = 3,33 Aquarius
Apogee = 3,54 Leo r
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Date: Thu, 12 May 2005 09:42:24 -0600
Subject: [Centaurs] Oppenheimer and TL66
The words of Oppenheimer citing the Bhagavad Gita when he saw the trial explosion at Trinity on July 16, 1945 are well-known:
“I am become Death,
The shatterer of Worlds.”
These are paradigmatically TL66. I examined the TL66 / Oppenheimer connection in a post of 23 Dec. 2000:
Oppenheimer was born in the night on April 22, 1904 (see the reference in the above post). The Trinity explosion was at 11:29:45 U.T, 33n40’31” / 106w28’29” (Jornada del Muerto region in the Northest corner of the Alamogordo Bombing Range, New Mexico).
TL66 = 14,35 Aquarius r (tropical)
Moon = 14,39 Libra
Ascendant = 14,46 Cancer
Oppenheimer’s birth TL66 = 15,08 Capricorn (precession-corrected)
Remember also that…
Sun Hiroshima explosion = 13,08 Leo
Sun Nagasaki explosion = 16,07 Leo
midpoint = 14,37 Leo/Aquarius
1996TL66 = 14,14 and 14,11 of Aquarius respectively.
I found today a site with a fuller account of Oppenheimer’s words and a commentary that I want to quote because I think it describes the essence of TL66 (=”Typhon”), how it can represent things so opposite:
[begin quote]
“If the radiance of a thousand suns
Were to burst at once into the sky,
That would be like the splendor of the Mighty One…
I am become Death,
The shatterer of Worlds.”
As the gigantic nuclear cloud mushroomed up to the stratosphere followed by a doomsday roar, Oppenheimer continued with the verses in which the Mighty One reveals Himself:
“Death am I, cause of destruction of the worlds, matured and set out to gather in the worlds there” – (Bhagavad Gita XI 12-32).
Then and there, Oppenheimer symbolized a most extraordinary conjunction – the juxtaposition of Western civilization’s most terrifying scientific achievement with the most dazzling description of the mystical experience given to us by the Bhagavad Gita, India’s greatest literary monument.
Oppenheimer’s spontaneous conjunction of a Hindu mystical poem with a nuclear explosion was of great symbolic significance. Nowhere in Western literature could he have found an almost clinical description of mystical rapture that also fits the description of a nuclear explosion in the outer world.
[end quote]
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Date: Sun, 15 May 2005 08:00:22 -0600
Subject: [Centaurs] TL66: Buzz Aldrin
I have always wondered how is TL66 acting in the case of Edwin “Buzz” Aldrin. His time of birth is classified as “AA” by Astrodatabank, which gives: January 20, 1930, 14:17 (-5h), Glenn Ridge, N.J. (40N48 / 74W12). This gives:
Sun = 0,02 Aquarius
TL66 = 0,25 Aquarius
http://cms.psychologytoday.com/articles/pto-20010501-000029.html
[BEGIN QUOTE]
I was an outsider. I was the egghead from academia who got in because the rules had changed. While I looked for validation from my fellow contemporaries, I instead found jealousy and envy. I did not find team spirit. This led to dissatisfaction, an unease. What I felt was depression. There were also family situations developing at that time. My life was moving in one direction, and my family was going in the other. That eventually led to a divorce and the split up of the family. But there was another trait that had been hidden. Everyone was drinking, and I was too. This led to periods of self-evaluation and concern. What am I doing? What is my role in life now? I realized that I was experiencing a melancholy of things done. I really had no future plans after returning from the moon. So I had to reexamine my life. I also had a genetic tendency toward alcoholism. [Both of his parents suffered from the disease.] That eventually reached its peak in 1976 and 1977. Recovery was not easy. Perhaps the most challenging turnaround was accepting the need for assistance and help. Looking back at it now–with over 22 years of sobriety–this was probably one of my greatest challenges. But it has also been one of the most satisfying because it has given me a sense of comfort and ease with where I am now
[END QUOTE]
another interview:
http://www.salon.com/news/feature/1999/07/20/aldrin/
[BEGIN QUOTE]
… But it was Aldrin who provided the more poetic pronouncement: “Magnificent desolation.”
“Desolation” describes Aldrin’s life in the years that followed Apollo. While many of his colleagues entered business, he returned to military service — but no one knew quite what to do with him. In 1971, Aldrin was made commander of the test-pilot school at Edwards Air Force Base. “A highly prestigious position,” he says dryly, “if you were a test pilot. But I wasn’t.” Buzz had always enjoyed his Scotch, but now began drinking heavily. A series of accidents at the school were blamed on “supervisor error.” Aldrin felt squeezed. He began to lose control. Depression and alcoholism beset him, and his license to fly was revoked: a staggering blow to the lunar module pilot of Apollo 11. After hitting rock bottom — at one point putting a pistol to his head — Aldrin pulled himself together and sought counseling.
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http://www.horatioalger.com/members/member_info.cfm?memberid=ald05
[BEGIN QUOTE]
Life in the Aldrin household was not idyllic. Buzz’s father was called back into service during the war. “He served in the South Pacific and Europe; and retired as a full Colonel,” says Aldrin. “His visits home in those days were always short and, it seemed to me, rather remote. While he was a dedicated and interested father, he was never the type to take me outside for a game of catch.” Aldrin’s mother suffered from periodic depression and a dependency on alcohol. In the often closed society that was suburban post-war America, such afflictions were rarely discussed openly. Buzz’s early adulthood became marked and scarred by his mother’s withdrawal and her inability to provide emotional support. Aldrin inherited his mother’s shyness…
… Meeting unprecedented celebrity and scrutiny, he felt isolated and vulnerable. “I’d never been an extrovert,” he says, “and speaking in public caused me considerable anxiety.” Worse was to follow. In 1971 Aldrin left the space program and returned to the Air Force… and found his return to be unsatisfying. What he didn’t fully comprehend at the time was that he had been slowly falling into depression since his return from the moon. Aldrin was predisposed to the condition, but unprepared for it. His maternal grandfather had committed suicide years before due to depression. In 1968, shortly before he walked on the moon, Aldrin’s mother also chose to end her life. Of that time he says, “In the last years of my mother’s life she had been listless and unhappy, except during family gatherings when grandchildren were around. But she no longer had a strong will to live and I think something within her must have welcomed release.”
Aldrin began taking antidepressants and thought he had his problem under control, but soon his depression deepened and was complicated with alcoholism. In 1972 he retired from the Air Force. For the first time, since his days at West Point, he began leading an unstructured life. “I no longer had opportunities defined and lined up for me,” he says. “Now it was up to me to find those opportunities. That dilemma, combined with my depression and alcoholism, did not help me in restructuring my life. I loved space exploration and that program had been put on hold with NASA…indefinitely.”
Aldrin’s mid-life crisis forced him, at the age of 41, to stop and examine his life. When he was young, his father expected him to set goals. After he accomplished one, he was encouraged to set another, ever bigger one. Now, he was forced to decide what he wanted out of life. “My entire adult life had been spent either in the Air Force or with NASA,” he says, “It was a circumscribed and insulated life. In 1972 I decided to leave the nest that had provided me my security and fame.” “I worked hard to find significant activities to keep my very active mind interested.”
Aldrin got therapy, exercise, and took medication. The second, and most important, phase of his life had begun, a phase which would take even more dedication, imagination and courage than he had to summon so far. “This mid-life crisis’ he says, “has taught me to have patience, perseverance, and an evolving faith that helping others is a means to helping oneself. It is my devout wish to bring emotional depression into the open and treat it as one does a physical infirmity.”
Aldrin’s dependency on alcohol took longer to conquer, but in 1978 he established sobriety. Since those dark days, Aldrin has written four books, including his early autobiography Return to Earth. “The title of that book is significant,” he says. “The difficult part of my life was not going to the moon, it was what I had to face when I returned.”
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… there is another angle to his depression after returning from the Moon that I think is worth considering: could it have been *triggered* by the landing having been a fake?
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Date: Sun, 15 May 2005 14:58:28 -0600
Subject: Re: [Centaurs] TL66: Buzz Aldrin
These phrases are extracted from the texts quoted:
I was an outsider.
depression.
a genetic tendency toward alcoholism.
Magnificent desolation.
no one knew quite what to do with him.
felt squeezed. He began to lose control.
Depression and alcoholism beset him
mother suffered from periodic depression and a dependency on alcohol
marked and scarred by his mother’s withdrawal and her inability to provide
emotional support
felt isolated and vulnerable.
shyness… speaking in public caused me considerable anxiety.
maternal grandfather had committed suicide years before due to depression.
Aldrin’s mother also chose to end her life.
depression deepened and was complicated with alcoholism.
a circumscribed and insulated life.
what I had to face when I returned.
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Date: Fri, 06 May 2005 15:52:02 -0600
Subject: [Centaurs] Diane de Poitiers – Catherine de Medicis
Catalina de Médicis was born according to the Britannica on April 13, 1519, and died January 5, 1589. Two versions of her birth horoscope appear in Notable Nativities #537-538, with sources given as Gauricus (1612) for 4.40 a.m. and Junctinus 155, 205 for 5.21 a.m. I have an old French book written by “Julevno” with a chart made for April 12 at 6:20 a.m. Using 5 a.m. U.T as reference for April 13:
birth Sun = 1,48 Taurus
death TL66 = 1,10 Scorpio (St. Bartholomew’s Night?)
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Date: Fri, 06 May 2005 17:37:40 -0600
Subject: [Centaurs] Diane de Poitiers – add.
King Henry II of France
b. 31 March 1519 St.Germain en Laye
NN #535 from Gauricus and Junctinus
d. 10 July 1559 Paris
The time of birth given varies from 5 to 7 a.m., so I will use as reference 5:30 a.m. U.T.
Sun = 19,10 Aries
TL66 = 20,24 Libra r
As to TL66, it is also clearly involved in Henry’s death
death Sun = 25,52 Cancer (precession-corrected)
death TL66 = 26,03 Libra
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Date: Sun, 08 May 2005 11:55:39 -0600
Subject: [Centaurs] Catherine de Medicis – add.
There was another error when trying to calculate the death positions as precession-corrected transits, caused by the change of calendars in 1582. This time I will use the sidereal zodiac to re-calculate the 4 positions above:
birth Sun = 13,47 Aries
death TL66 = 13,07 Libra
It was the night between the 23rd and the 24th of August, 1572. I will use for reference a chart for sunrise in Paris on the 24th, and the sidereal zodiac in order to compare positions between dates:
transiting Venus = 1,32 Libra
birth TL66 = 2,16 Libra r
death Mars = 1,16 Libra
transiting Moon = 2,09 Pisces
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Date: Wed, 11 May 2005 19:15:55 -0600
Subject: [Centaurs] Catherine of Medicis: add TL66
King’s death Sun = 8,06 Cancer (approx.)
King’s death TL66 = 8,01 Libra (we can also call this “Catherine’s seizing of power”)
Catherine’s death TL66 = 13,07 Libra
Catherine’s birth Sun = 13,46 Aries
Catherine’s birth TL66 = 2,16 Libra r (see previous post)
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Date: Thu, 12 May 2005 15:17:21 -0600
Subject: Re: [Centaurs] TL66
TL66 is, like Roy MacKinnon puts it, “the moment of revelation”, it is “the calling of the trumpets”. I associate it –among other things, of course– with experiences that are so inconceivably painful or dazzling that the soul cannot take them, so when they are happening, time stops, experience stops, your soul leaves the body, and you are in a state of spiritual bliss in the midst of the most gruesome things that may be happening to your body. You then spend the rest of your life trying to recover from it, slowly, drop by drop. Time has not passed for the experience (I mean, the soul has become the experience, it is possessed by it), you are living outside of life, out of time, experiencing spiritual-cosmic-collective escathological forces, prophesy, for which you develop a special affinity, but your personal life cannot pass beyond the point where it had stopped.
TL66 is like a whirlwind, it is like Pluto squared, it unleashes spiritual forces, it “opens the gate” so there is always a push for redemption, a thrust for resurrection, an incredible spiritual gift, or like G. Tintner put it describing Bruckner’s music, “to be baptized in the light”.
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Date: Sat, 22 Jan 2000 21:10:03 -0600
Subject: Bruckner
He was born September 4th 1824 in Ansfelden (13e55/47n53) at 4:15 a.m., and died October 11th 1896 in Vienna (48n13/16e22) at 3:30 p.m.
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Date: Sun, 06 Feb 2000 21:53:23 -0600
The source [of his data] is a photograph of the birth certificate which appears in p.13 of “Anton Bruckner, Musik und Leben” by Leopold Nowak (Rudolf Trauner Verlag, 1973). It says “uhr fruh”, which I assume is a.m. The time of death appears in p.279 of this same book.
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Date: Wed, 07 Apr 2004 08:21:28 -0600
Subject: [Centaurs] Bruckner’s 9th, II-2
The 2 versions were performed one after the other, so that they could be compared by the public. It is on this occasion when the conductor, Siegmund von Hausegger, said of it: “It is no longer the touching departure of an individual being from this life, rather it is a higher synthesis of life and death, full of the mystery of the eternal spirit.” I adopted this as a description of the astrological meaning of TL66 since I first quoted it in a post of 9 February 2000.
It is no longer the touching departure of an individual being from this life, rather it is a higher synthesis of life and death, full of the mystery of the eternal spirit.
TL66 is significantly placed at Bruckner’s birth as well as death, but I didn´t feel at the time that it was enough to say that TL66 represents this symphony, despite my strong feeling in this regard. From my previous compilation:
natal TL66 = 21,32 Scorpio (sidereal)
natal Sun = 19,12 Leo (applying square 2º20′)
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death TL66 = 15,46 Sagittarius
natal lunar Node = 15,19 Sagittarius
natal Neptune = 14,37 Sagittarius
death Black Moon 15,25 Pisces
Bruckner died when TL66 and the Black Moon were transiting his natal Node/Neptune conjunction. This refers to the vastness, the mysticism and the “colossal” nature of his compositional style in general, and of the 9th Symphony in particular, that was his last and left unfinished.
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Date: Thu, 08 Apr 2004 09:15:15 -0600
Subject: [Centaurs] Bruckner’s 9th, II-3
He wanted to finish the symphony, and knew that his time was short. He started writing the 4th and last movement on 24 May 1895 [ref. Above], and died one year later (Oct. 11 1896), leaving it incomplete. However, that day he had the symphony in his mind and heart, so the astrological signature of that day should tell us something important about it:
tr. Neptune = 21,44 Taurus
natal TL66 = 21,32 Scorpio
tr. Jupiter = 14,26 Gemini
tr. TL66 = 16,23 Sagittarius
death TL66 = 15,46 Sagittarius
death Black Moon = 15,25 Pisces
Jupiter is adding weight and dimension to the Neptune/TL66 signature. Remember this signature is what connects Bruckner’s birth and death charts:
I have written of Jupiter/TL66 several times. The last was with regards to the Second Vatican Council, 29 July 2003:
“we are seeing a religious aspect of TL66 inspired by ‘the End of Time’ sociological thinking. This is especially the case if we see it from the perspective of “old” John XXIII, who criticized the pessimism of the “prophets of doom” inside the Church and at the opening speech clearly sided –to the happy surprise of many participants– with the progressives and reformists. “Recall my suggestion for naming TL66 “Typhon”. I hadn’t thought before of the association this has with “ruach”, the “strong wind” that is the manifestation of “the spirit of God” in the Old Testament, and later, of Pentecost: “… And suddenly there came from heaven a noise like a violent rushing wind, and it filled the whole house where they were sitting…” [Acts…]”
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Date: Sat, 23 Apr 2005 08:23:03 -0600
Subject: [Centaurs] Celibidache and Bruckner: TL66
Sergiu Celibidache was born in Roman, Rumania on July 11,1912. (NOTE: Rumania adopted the Gregorian Calendar in 1919. The “old style” original date is June 28: http://www.gerhard-greiner.de/bioeng.htm )
TL66 = 18,26 Cap r
Sun = 18,47 Can (12h GMT)
http://www.celibidache.org/tess_james.html
There has always been a special relationship between Celibidache and Bruckner, the former being said to have understood the latter like nobody else. “To him, time is different than it is to other composers. To a normal man, time is what comes after the beginning. To Bruckner, time is what comes after the end. All his apotheotical finals, the hope for another world, the hope of being saved, of being again baptised in light, it exists nowhere else in the same manner”–these were Celibidache’s own words when asked about Bruckner.
http://home.xnet.com/~sandlin/reviews/96_0308.htm
But even more impressive–it stands as a kind of summation of his early style–is a 1971 performance of Bruckner’s Seventh Symphony on Arkadia. This is one of the best performances of Bruckner I’ve ever heard, and a particularly daring one since Celibidache deliberately slows down a work that’s so slow to begin with that it’s on the edge of lapsing into a coma. But he somehow holds together the interminably long legato lines that are gravely oscillating between Bruckner’s two available moods of vague exaltation and gloomy grandeur, gathering them into an atmosphere of impending doom. The enormously prolonged crescendo that climaxes the adagio movement is built into such a towering cataclysm that it’s like watching God’s own thunderstorm rise over the horizon and bear straight down on you. This is the sort of apocalyptic performance that makes you picture the conductor and orchestra being carried off on stretchers after the last curtain call.
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Date: Sat, 23 Apr 2005 14:11:16 -0600
Subject: [Centaurs] Celibidache and Bruckner: TL66, 2
The correct date for Celibidache’s death is August 14, 1996. This date is given, among other sources, in the yearbook of the Munich Philharmonic Orchestra. He died in a clinic near Neuville-sur-Essone in France, the place where he was buried on August 16, 1996
http://www.wizvax.net/akira/celi/ml/ar/en/0009.html
“Wednesday night Sergiu Celibidache, chief conductor of the Muenchener Philharmoniker since 1979 died in Paris, aged 84. He will be buried in Paris”
http://www.wizvax.net/akira/celi/SoLong/FranckERNOULD.html
I use as reference 22h GMT. For the birth I use 12h GMT. Positions are in the sidereal zodiac in order to make the comparisons:
Celi_birth TL66 = 24Sa55 r
Celi_birth Sun = 25Ge16
Bruckner_death Sun = 25Vi29
Celi_death Sun = 27Ca40
Bruckner_birth Apogee = 27Cp53
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Date: Mon, 25 Apr 2005 04:17:23 -0600
Subject: [Centaurs] Celibidache and Bruckner: TL66, 3
I found a birth time for Celibidache in the database of Peter Niehenke: 1:30 p.m.
http://217.160.138.166/DAV_Datenbank/C/CE.HTM
The source not given, just the following reference:
DS : Miscellaneous data collections
2193 : Datensammlung: Gracia Bordoni, Milano -F.Snethlage-
I regret the absurd habit of astrologers of citing other astrologers as source. This leaves the source unknown and undocumented.
Rumania in 1912 was 1h44m24s ahead of Greenwich, so the data is:
July 11, 1912
11h45m36 GMT (13h30m meridian of Bucarest)
46N55 / 26E56 (Roman, Rumania)
Since I used 12h GMT the position of the Sun is practically the same (sidereal):
TL66 = 24,55 Sag r
Sun = 25,15 Gem
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Date: Wed, 08 Aug 2007 08:22:53 -0600
Subject: Steve Irwin
But without assuming anything about TL66, just by looking at the dynamics of an exact solar conjunction, we already “know better” and are prepared to achieve a better understanding of what his birth Sun was fighting with… because this is simply the dynamics of an exact conjunction with the Sun. Whenever one is born with a conjunction like this, one already knows that a major and critical goal in this life will be developing the ability to separate the Sun from the planet in terms of how they are expressed in one’s life, becoming conscious of the control the planet has over the ” I ” or Self –the Sun.
What from a superficial standpoint is a glorious shining of TL66 in Steve Irwin’s life and personality, from a deeper observational standpoint is the manifestation of a relentless inner fight of the Sun to attain a clear sense who he is, of what it means “to be himself”, a problematic proposition because “to be”, the unconditional and glorious well-being of his sense of his own spiritual self is extremely and painfully difficult, he cannot disentangle himself from TL66, and “being” becomes “being TL66”, he is completely subject and subservient to TL66.
So what was Steve Irwin always fighting with? Wild crocodiles… and ironically, he was fighting with them in order to save them. In his tv shows he was constanly annoying and disturbing wild animals, and one was supposed to accept that this was an expression of how much he loved wild life. I don’t question his love or his passion, or his dedication to the conservation and well-being of wild animals, but want to point out to the symbolism, to what this is saying about about his inner psychological dynamics, what I described in that first post as his public persona “swallowing him”.
To save crocodiles, he had to wrestle with them and beat them, humiliate them, conquer them “for their own good”. To a lesser extent, this is what he did with every snake or lizard that he could find in order to show them to the camera in their distress, and then let them go with a kiss. Note that this may be necessary if you want to rescue a crocodile or a tiger or a bear, but in his regular show it simply was an expression of himself, of some “constant” in his character consistent with his passion, pointing to a wild or untamed “dark” side of him which –ironically– he never touched.
One famous –and wildly attacked without mecry– criticism of Steve Irwin was written by the Germaine Greer, who is “widely regarded as one of the most significant feminist voices of the 20th century” (Wikipedia). I want to reproduce it here because it helps to see this “dark” side of him, and because I agree with her. But before reading, take a look at this…
Germaine Greer, born January 29, 1939 (Wikipedia)
Sun = 8,57 Aquarius (18h UT)
TL66 = 8,02 Aquarius!
http://www.guardian.co.uk/australia/story/0,,1865124,00.html
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Irwin was the real Crocodile Dundee, a great Australian, an ambassador for wildlife, a global phenomenon, a superhuman generator of merchandise, books, interactive video-games and action figures. The only creatures he couldn’t dominate were parrots. A parrot once did its best to rip his nose off his face. Parrots are a lot smarter than crocodiles.
What seems to have happened on Batt Reef is that Irwin and a cameraman went off in a little dinghy to see what they could find. What they found were stingrays. You can just imagine Irwin yelling: “Just look at these beauties! Crikey! With those barbs a stingray can kill a horse!” (Yes, Steve, but a stingray doesn’t want to kill a horse. It eats crustaceans, for God’s sake.) All Australian children know about stingrays. We are now being told that only three people have ever been killed by Australian stingrays. One of them must have been the chap who bought it 60 years ago in Brighton Baths where my school used to go on swimming days. Port Philip Bay was famous for stingrays, which are fine as long as you can see them, but they do what most Dasyatidae do, which is bury themselves in the sand or mud with only their eyes sticking out. What you don’t want to do with a stingray is stand on it. The lashing response of the tail is automatic; the barb is coated with a bacterial slime as deadly as rotten oyster toxin.
As a Melbourne boy, Irwin should have had a healthy respect for stingrays, which are actually commoner, and bigger, in southern waters than they are near Port Douglas, where he was killed. The film-makers maintain that the ray that took Irwin out was a “bull ray”, or Dasyatis brevicaudata, but this is not usually found as far north as Port Douglas. Marine biologist Dr Meredith Peach has been quoted as saying, “It’s really quite unusual for divers to be stung unless they are grappling with the animal and, knowing Steve Irwin, perhaps that may have been the case.” Not much sympathy there then.
The only time Irwin ever seemed less than entirely lovable to his fans (as distinct from zoologists) was when he went into the Australia Zoo crocodile enclosure with his month-old baby son in one hand and a dead chicken in the other. For a second you didn’t know which one he meant to feed to the crocodile. If the crocodile had been less depressed it might have made the decision for him. As the catatonic beast obediently downed its tiny snack, Irwin walked his baby on the grass, not something that paediatricians recommend for rubbery baby legs even when there isn’t a stir-crazy carnivore a few feet away. The adoring world was momentarily appalled. They called it child abuse. The whole spectacle was revolting. The crocodile would rather have been anywhere else and the chicken had had a grim life too, but that’s entertainment at Australia Zoo.
Irwin’s response to the sudden outburst of criticism was bizarre. He believed that he had the crocodile under control. But he could have fallen over, suggested an interviewer. He admitted that was possible, but only if a meteor had hit the earth and caused an earthquake of 6.6 on the Richter scale. That sort of self-delusion is what it takes to be a “real Aussie larrikin”.
What Irwin never seemed to understand was that animals need space. The one lesson any conservationist must labour to drive home is that habitat loss is the principal cause of species loss. There was no habitat, no matter how fragile or finely balanced, that Irwin hesitated to barge into, trumpeting his wonder and amazement to the skies. There was not an animal he was not prepared to manhandle. Every creature he brandished at the camera was in distress. Every snake badgered by Irwin was at a huge disadvantage, with only a single possible reaction to its terrifying situation, which was to strike. Easy enough to avoid, if you know what’s coming. Even my cat knew that much. Those of us who live with snakes, as I do with no fewer than 12 front-fanged venomous snake species in my bit of Queensland rainforest, know that they will get out of our way if we leave them a choice. Some snakes are described as aggressive, but, if you’re a snake, unprovoked aggression doesn’t make sense. Snakes on a plane only want to get off. But Irwin was an entertainer, a 21st-century version of a lion-tamer, with crocodiles instead of lions.
In 2004, Irwin was accused of illegally encroaching on the space of penguins, seals and humpback whales in Antarctica, where he was filming a documentary called Ice Breaker. An investigation by the Australian Environmental Department resulted in no action being taken, which is not surprising seeing that John Howard, the prime minister, made sure that Irwin was one of the guests invited to a “gala barbecue” for George Bush a few months before. Howard is now Irwin’s chief mourner, which is only fair, seeing that Irwin announced that Howard is the greatest leader the world has ever seen.
The animal world has finally taken its revenge on Irwin, but probably not before a whole generation of kids in shorts seven sizes too small has learned to shout in the ears of animals with hearing 10 times more acute than theirs, determined to become millionaire animal-loving zoo-owners in their turn.
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Date: Wed, 08 Aug 2007 11:21:51 -0600
http://www.dvdverdict.com/reviews/jeffcorwinexperience.php
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Crazy people shouldn’t be carrying snakes.
… Jeff Corwin goes from exotic locale to exotic locale, searching out the world’s most beautiful and exotic creatures, hooting and hollering the entire way. Part Crocodile Hunter, part bad stand-up comic, part mental health clinic visitor’s pass, adults and children alike will no doubt be entertained by Jeff Corwin as he explores, educates, and entertains.
The ethos of the show is this: one can best experience nature by having a twit go stomping through a fragile ecosystem with a crew of six cameramen, lighting experts, and sound men, dragging an endangered species out of its home, and sticking it with poles and sticks, yelling things like “Crikey!”
This, of course, is the Crocodile Hunter school of thought on animal entertainment television shows, the similarities of which I am sure is just a coincidence.
I mean, the guy goes looking for snakes in Costa Rica, tramping through the rain forest with a big pole, with low-cut sneakers. Who would’ve thought somebody sharper than Steve Irwin, the Crocodile Hunter, actually exists? At least he’s more cowardly, though—his constant whining and hollering and scared little noises keeps you entertained, as well as his moments of self-reflection when he picks up a deadly snake (“What are you doing, Jeff? What are you doing? What are you doing?”)
Who is this Jeff Corwin guy? He goes from calm, rational, factual statements to wild-eyed rambling, terrible bad accents, and horrible gangster impressions. The Crocodile Hunter is consistent, at least—this guy’s all over the map. You get the feeling that his medication kicks on and off during actual shots. They must keep the camera on this guy 24 hours a day, just to see what inane things he says.
“Crikey! An endangered sea turtle! These are one of the most fragile and endangered animals in the world! And they really hate it when you pick them up out of the water and put them in the boat…like this!”
“Whoa, look at that sucker squirm! They really really hate it when you take this metal tong and stick it in their mouths…like this!”
“These turtles lay beautiful eggs in the sand, and they fry up beautifully. But boy, do they ever hate it when you reach in and steal their eggs…like this!”
The court hereby orders Steve Irwin and Jeff Corwin to undergo relationship counseling for a period of no more than six months.
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Date: Wed, 08 Aug 2007 13:03:03 -0600
http://letters.salon.com/opinion/feature/2006/09/07/irwin/view/index8.html?show=all
And Steve Irwin, for all the good he did for animals, made an annoying habit of bothering creatures that had done nothing to deserve it. I recall seeing him do a piece on snapping turtles. He reached into one’s lair and pulled it out, and all I could yell at the TV was, “Leave the goddamn animals alone!” It’s possible to educate people about animals without making a nuisance of yourself; of course, it takes more patience and self-control. I feel bad that Irwin died, especially given his young children, but it’s hard to ignore character traits that looked to viewers a lot like a death wish. — Al Mascitti
A showman and zoo-keeper does not a conservationist make; Irwin wrestled and manhadled wild creatures for entertainment. He was a staunch and vocal supporter of Australia’s right wing anti-Kyoto Prime Minister, and derided a number of “green” activists and causes, including animal conservation rules such as those on crocodile protection and hunting… The man was a caricature.– Anne
He was a zoo-owner and a tv-ham who had opposed genuine scientific conservation efforts because they didn’t suit him, using his celebrity and ignorance to ride rough-shod over the work of scientists who knew what they were talking about… he was too busy annoying dangerous animals on behalf of his tv-ratings to get involved in real conservation. Just because someone stands beside an animal doesn’t make them a conservationist. Irwin deserves no such credit. I suspect the current efforts to prevent the film of his death being shown betray the fear by his associates and flagwavers that the world will see a blameless fish being tormented by Irwin and his cameraman before it strikes. Some animal lover. — Tom Metcalfe
An here is the best I have read so far, in terms of the type of understanding I am looking for:
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What Drove Steve Irwin ?
In mourning his death, fans of Steve Irwin are paying tribute to, among other qualities, his courage. Do we have the courage to face the truth about his death and reactions to it?
If we do, we might start by noting that no one really believes that what Irwin’s performances primarily were about was protection of the animals he filmed. (Let’s see, how about a show in which a brave, dashing man encounters exotic and potentially reactive women. He intentionally pushes emotional buttons, yet always narrowly escapes without being slapped or yelled at. That would probably change some attitudes and increase respect for women, right? Female battering by men and unfair salary differentials likely would decrease. Right.) We don’t really believe it, but we pretend to, because if we don’t pretend we are faced with a discussion on what his performances really did represent.
There seems to be little disagreement that Irwin intentionally took risks to titillate his audience: dangerously swinging the cobra, narrowly avoiding the jaws of the croc. But that agreement is where our willingness to face ourselves ends, as immediate reactions to his death have shown. Check out the websites and news accounts. What is telling is the speed of the denial that Irwin was in any way threatening the stingray that killed him, an animal not easily provoked. The denial came before there was time to digest accounts and videotape of what might actually have happened, and continues. Yet what emerged early from reports is that the ray went into a defensive posture after being closely followed, then stung Irwin, who was directly above the animal. Officials deny any evidence that the ray was threatened or provoked; meanwhile all available evidence, including reports of videotape footage and everything we know about the animal’s biology tell us that the ray struck precisely because it was threatened.
Also telling is the extent and vehemence of the online reactions to any suggestion that Irwin’s risk-taking or provoking of animals could have been responsible for his own death. There is anger and attack in these reactions, as if his fans, like the animals he provoked, feel threatened. But that’s absurd, isn’t it? Why would Irwin’s defenders feel personally attacked by such a suggestion? Because they know unconsciously that if Irwin provoked and took risks with deadly animals, he did so precisely because that is what his audience expected and needed, something Irwin was fully aware of – “The audience loves it when I almost die.” Having failed to perpetually get that fix and cheat the inevitable, we now attempt to avoid facing what drove the risk-taking behavior.
We don’t honor Steve Irwin or his family by denying the obvious, but we might by courageously confronting the meaning of these events and reactions. Irwin had a great need for attention which was met for him by his audience. In a symbiosis, their needs were in turn met by his performances, in the primal and vicarious experiencing of starring down death, of narrowly, dramatically and triumphantly escaping deadly, poisonous threats to survival. There are lots of ways to get attention, and nature shows survive without hosts provoking deadly animals, antics that can go wrong in ways that leave us shaking our heads over a “senseless” death. Why take the chances?
What may be most uncomfortable yet important to face is the apparent paradox that, like all men, this man being mourned as a hero and warrior was afraid. He was afraid of fear, more accurately of admitting fear to himself or to others. One way to react to fear is to acknowledge it, access it, and learn ways to integrate it adaptively into choices and behavior. Applied to the real dangers in the natural world, this approach might lead to attitudes of caution, respect, “live and let live”, and the avoidance of senseless deaths. But paradoxically, it takes a great deal of courage to be afraid, maybe more than to swing a cobra by the tail. This is so because of the way men evolved. Survival and leaving offspring depended on fighting for and keeping claim to the resources necessary for survival and reproduction, through aggressive encounters with other males. Telegraph signs of weakness, vulnerability, doubt or incompetence? You’re doomed: as in bottom-of the-pecking-order, denied-resources-for-survival, you’re-screwed, dead “doomed”. This is why it requires a major act of courage for a male to ask directions, cry, or acknowledge fear. We are more likely to see a man taking risks with a poisonous snake than crying.
We can overcome genetic dispositions, but often fear of fear gets pushed to extremes. Many men, likely reacting to past or present threatening environments, respond to fear by attempting to avoid experience of it through denying or disowning, a reaction that gets expressed as bravado, risk-taking, self-destructive behaviors, and aggression, often driven by audiences and often with tragic consequences. All to attempt to disown something that is natural, potentially protective, and in the end cannot be disowned any more than hunger or thirst can. Steve Irwin, like all men, was conflicted in his attempts to find the real meaning of courage: “I have no fear of losing my life.” versus “Fear helps me from making mistakes.” The false and dangerous bravado of “NO FEAR” versus the courage to admit and integrate fear.
The common metaphor for genetically driven behavior is “hard-wired”, which is unfortunately inaccurate in leaving out choice. A more accurate metaphor would acknowledge that our history has loaded software which the system itself is capable of evaluating, unloading, and replacing with new, more effective software. That process requires awareness, insight, and most of all courage. It may be that if we are ready to learn, Steve Irwin’s unfortunate death can be his greatest lesson. — J.C. Miller
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Date: Thu, 09 Aug 2007 01:31:37 -0600
Subject: [Centaurs] Steve Irwin and TL66, 4
his persona swallowed him
this last image (“swallowing him”) is TL66 engulfing and dominating the Sun. His “persona” is TL66. TL66 completely dominated him to the point that there was no Sun, only his “persona”, only TL66… but what was it?
the answer is almost automatic: it was the crocodile, which he HAD TO dominate and conquer in order to save it. The crocodile was HIS symbol, and himself, but there is no interiorization as in the case of Buzz Aldrin. He IS the show.
One aspect of TL66, that of domination and conquest, imperialism and “hegemony”, first brought by Jonathan Dunn in the early stages of TL66 research back in 1999, becomes evident in all its tragedy here.
There is an irrepressible, uncontrolled need to dominate and conquer, disguised as “I’m here to save you”.
Change “crocodile” or “snake” by “dragon” or “beast” and you have someone who is fighting dragons all the time, who has made this activity the image of himself and exploits it mercilessly.
Buzz Aldrin became also a symbol of fighting with “the dragon”, but his dragon was inside. Here, there is no “inside”, everything is projected to the outside.
… what he “incarnated”, what completely dominated and at times overshadowed his Sun, what at other time we could see the Sun triumphing over, easily gets distorted or overvalued.
” the Sun triumphing over” is never internalized and becomes the “stamp” of his own self overpowered by his compulsion to conquer dangerous animals and “saving them”… his “act” was a projection of his need to be saved. His main characteristic was: I do to the animals what I need to do to myself but never do, I use the animals as a scapegoat to not having to face my inner dragon that is eating me, killing me. I just cannot look into myself. I am what others want me to be. The Sun surrenders: he is himself the beaten, conquered, endangered or abandoned animal that needs to be saved, and he enacts this over and over again.
what his birth Sun was fighting with… major and critical goal in this life will be developing the ability to separate the Sun from the planet in terms of how they are expressed in one’s life, becoming conscious of the control the planet has over the ” I ” or Self –the Sun.
This is what he never did, he became externally a symbol of the internal battle with our own dragon, a battle that he finally lost even though, paradoxically, he is seen as “the hero”. He strove his whole life to be this hero in the eyes of people, and made of this strife his whole existence win great passion, with a greatly intensified Sun.
Now I can see it. Now I understand it.
The irony of this is that the woman who could not control herself and felt compelled to shout to the world “Look! the emperor has no clothes!” was herself also an incarnation of the same fight of the Sun with TL66, with the dragon or the beast that eats her.
What from a superficial standpoint is a glorious shining of TL66 in Steve Irwin’s life and personality, from a deeper observational standpoint is the manifestation of a relentless inner fight of the Sun to attain a clear sense who he is, of what it means “to be himself”, a problematic proposition because “to be”, the unconditional and glorious well-being of his sense of his own spiritual self is extremely and painfully difficult, he cannot disentangle himself from TL66, and “being” becomes “being TL66”, he is completely subject and subservient to TL66.
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Date: Thu, 09 Aug 2007 02:08:07 -0600
Subject: Re: [Centaurs] Steve Irwin and TL66
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** This birth time should be considered a ballpark figure, and comes to me through Australian astrologer Milton Black: “I wrote to Steve a number of years ago, and he thought it was very early in the morning, around 1:00 am”.
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This gives:
Sun = 2Pi31
TL66 = 3Pi29
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Date: Thu, 09 Aug 2007 12:49:45 -0600
Subject: Re: [Centaurs] “Internalizing” “Incarnations”
… you mention, “internalizing” incarnations, that Steve Irwin failed in “internalize” TL66. While you illustrate this well, I am wondering if this is something that one should do with one’s incarnations, TL66 or otherwise.
the “should”, i.e., the necessity to internalize, may be something an individual never feels the need to. Some people are very comfortable without ever facing to what extent their relationships are projections of their inner conflicts. Typically they do not take responsibility for what they are doing to others, and have a tendency to blame others for what goes wrong.
this can go on forever until you realize that you are causing pain and fear, that you are being insensitive, aggressive and invasive, that you would not like others to treat you the way you are treating them… or until your own pain begins to eat you and you don’t know what to do with it. Not knowing what to do with pain or with fear is a typical characteristic of this kind of people.
when the pain finally appears, either yours or of others, then internalizing is a necessity, a “should”. By “internalizing I simply mean adopting as your own what before you never took responsibility for.
In the case of Steve Irwin this tendency is very evident in his attitude toward animals in his shows. The analogy given in the letter I quote written by J.C. Miller illustrates this:
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… we might start by noting that no one really believes that what Irwin’s performances primarily were about was protection of the animals he filmed. (Let’s see, how about a show in which a brave, dashing man encounters exotic and potentially reactive women. He intentionally pushes emotional buttons, yet always narrowly escapes without being slapped or yelled at. That would probably change some attitudes and increase respect for women, right? Female battering by men and unfair salary differentials likely would decrease. Right.) We don’t really believe it, but we pretend to, because if we don’t pretend we are faced with a discussion on what his performances really did represent.
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Did Steve Irwin “need” to internalize TL66 because it was an SDO that would overwhelm him otherwise?
I guess that’s a matter of opinion. In these cases, I think the best way to answer is: ask this question to his wife or his children…
Does one need to “internalize” incarnations if those incarnations involve less malevolent influences such as Okyrhoe, Crantor or UJ438? Are there other inherent psychological challenges involving incarnations which we all need to confront?
Anything that is not “internalized” feeds your shadow and makes it stronger. I was born with Venus only 0,12′ behind the Sun, you cannot say Venus is “malevolent”, but I wonder if you can imagine how painful in can be!
The explanation is in the dynamics between the planet and the Sun: if we don’t allow the Sun “to be” without conditions, to shine and extend it wings of glory, instead of being this or being that, you will be in conflict and the conflict will be very painful. If you do not internalize any of it, if you remain blissfully unaware of the pain and the conflict that is controlling you, you will project it outside, you will create it and feed it around you.
I don’t think Okyrhoe, Crantor, etc are “less malevolent” than TL66, nor do I think that TL66 is malevolent just like a crocodile or snake are not “malevolent” (Steve Irwin, if anything, will always be a living testimony of this). What can become “malevolent” is the way we deal with them, the relationship we have with them. The “evil”, in my perspective, comes with the denial, the psychological deafness made out of fear, the refusal to take responsibility or “internalize” the demons you are fighting with.
I don’t think there is anything malevolent in “the Dragon” or “the Beast”. They are not “evil” to me. What is “evil” is your surrender to them, i.e., the failure to internalize them or accept them as one part of yourself.
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a simple demonstration added in proof of the astrological power and meaning of 1996TL66 (2022)
The methodology is based on the exclusive use of conjunctions or oppositions of very tight orbs (1 degree or less) between the luminaries and –in this case– TL66. Mercury is also considered due to its relationship to the media war, the massive disinformation and propaganda. Everything else is ignored so that the meaning of the object is intensified and revealed and a name can be found that is consistent with this meaning (which is the exact opposite of what is usually done).
Aspects are measured in a sidereal reference frame, and to avoid confusion the Fagan/Bradley sidereal zodiac is used but the meaning of the signs is ignored, only the angular relationships are considered. The angles are included only if the accurate time of the chart is available. When the time of birth is unknown the Moon is not used and the orb of Mercury and the Sun is slightly more flexible (up to about 1.5 degrees instead of 1 degree)
The brief interpretations are only an imaginative suggestion. Given the power and the type of contacts the events themselves and the people involved talk about the nature of TL66 themselves.
The following charts were used (details omitted):
1) Ukraine, 24 Aug 1991
2) Russia, 12 june 1990
3) Invasion, 24 February 2022
4) Coup d’etat (the “Maidan Revolution”) 24 Feb 2014
5) Official day of incorporation of Crimea = 18 Mar 2014
6) Zelensky, 25 January 1978
7) Vladimir Putin, 7 Oct 1952
8) Stepan Bandera b. 1 Jan 1909, d.15 Oct 1959 (noon GMT)
9) NATO’s Jens Stoltenberg 16 March 1959 (noon GMT)
10) Josef Goebbels 29 0ct 1897
The solar conjunction “seeds” or “incarnates” or “empowers”.
The solar opposition “emerges”, “reveals” or “confronts”.
The Moon “entangles” and “ties”.
The square “resolves” or “triggers”.
Mercury rationalizes, etc.
Ukraine TL66 = 29,13 Pisces
Putin Mercury = 29,04 Virgo
Great power politics and global strategic interests dominate Putin’s mental horizon in regards to Ukraine.
Putin TL66 = 26,52 Cap
Ukraine Moon = 27,46 Cap
Ukraine married Putin and became “the Brides’s Corpse”.
Putin’s TL66 defines the resulting and long predicted but ignored wreckage of Ukraine.
Invasion TL66 = 25,47 Taurus
Russia Sun = 26,34 Taurus
seeding the existential horizon (1st contact July 2021, last May 2022)
Russia TL66 = 27,01 Pisces
Stepan Bandera death Sun (at noon GMT) = 27,12 Virgo
Invasion Mars = 27,24 Sag
the red line was crossed…
Stoltenberg TL66 = 6,03 Aqu
Ukraine Sun = 6,20 Leo
Russia Mercury = 6,00 Taurus
the directives of NATO
Stepan Bandera birth TL66 = 22,47 Sag
Stepan Bandera birth Mercury (noon GMT) = 21,54 Sag
Ukraine Asc. = 21,56 Sag
the neo-nazy rationalizer and propagandist ascending…
Josef Goebbels TL66 = 16,21 Sag
Stepan Bandera Sun = 17,00 Sag (at noon GMT)
Bandera’s career role model
incorporation of Crimea Sun = 2,52 Pisces (noon GMT)
Zelensky TL66 = 2,08 Pis
Stoltenberg Sun = 0,59 Pis (at noon GMT) (orb=1,09 but could be closer)
Ukraine Mars = 0,28 Vir
the Devil’s advocate says: “come here my son (Sun), I will become you, but you have to cross this Mars red line first…
Maidan Revolution Sun = 10,51 Aqu (noon GMT)
Maidan Revolution Neptune = 10,08 Aqu
Maidan Revolution TL66 = 10,47 Tau
TL66 is the trigger of Maidan, and for Zelensky it is the incarnation of Crimea’s secession.
There are many other telling contacts, and one could widen the orbs a little, etc. But I just wanted to point out the important role of TL66 in this conflict.
Additions, coments, corrections, criticisms, are welcome.
Juan Antonio Revilla
San José Costa Rica, 26 Sep 2022
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